Star Wars The Black Series Kyle Katarn & Quinlan Vos review

It's been so long since I reviewed a Black Series figure, eh? Or at least a pair of them? Why don't we fix that with reviewing not two, but THREE characters? We already know I love Jango Fett since he remains my favorite non-Force using character out of the galaxy represented by the 6 movies Lucas made, but some of you may know Kyle Katarn and Quinlan Vos even less, so I will fill in the blanks for you. Kyle was once a recruit for the Imperial forces as a Stormtrooper, but he eventually defected to join the Rebellion after he realized the harm the Empire caused rather than be a protector of the galaxy. He would later be a part of the New Jedi Order alongside the likes of Grandmaster Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade, becoming a prominent dude in numerous events from the invasion of the Yuuzahn Vong to tackling the Dark Nest Crisis and the Second Galactic Civil War. As for Quinlan Vos, he was known to hail from the Clan Vos, served as a double agent known for hiding deep in the shadows, and he even pretended to align with the Dark Acolytes of Count Dooku during the Clone Wars rather than serve as a general (and that was a seemingly good idea to spy on the Confederacy of Independent Systems before he wrestled with the dark side of the Force briefly). TCW (and the Disney canon we got using only the movies and TCW) would have him act closer to the Dude from Big Lebowski, while Kyle Katarn is a name ruined by a Disney shill known to go "HeLlO tHeRe, KyLe KaTaRn HeRe", gross. Anyways, let's see if these figures are worth buying.

Here we have Kyle Katarn in-hand. As with most Black Series figures of late, we have a blank torso underneath a PVC overlay representing his shirt. I always appreciated how in spite of the casual nature of the clothes and their color scheme, Kyle Katarn does at least stand out on his own with the forearm guards, a prominent holster, and a shoulder pad on the right side of his body. While the shoulders being lower and the head sitting up high is a common issue with most Black Series figures, it isn't as bad on Kyle as it would be on other Jedi who probably worked out harder than he did to get their reasonable builds during the Clone Wars (shirtless Anakin and Kit Fisto, anyone?). I wish the brown on the belt and shoulder pad would look somewhat less like unpainted plastic, though. While the gun holster keeps his blaster in place, the lightsaber hilt doesn't like staying pegged into his belt. Speaking of, the hilt lacks silver paint all throughout. It would be one thing if they all lacked that detail from the beginning, but with the price increase affecting all Hasbro lines, what is the excuse for this? 

His head sculpt thankfully looks less like the Disney Shill who would spit his drink out from a totally convincing reaction and more like the FMV actor from Dark Forces II, Jason Court. I get a sense of nobility from a man willing to steer away from his past as an Imperial recruit as he helps Luke Skywalker and friends with the New Jedi Order and the New Republic. Thankfully the beard isn't as digitally printed as some other characters or at least it doesn't seem that way. Articulation is standard for all Black Series figures, with a double ball neck with less range than I'd like, shoulder rotation, outward arm movement, rotation and single elbows at the forearm joint, ball jointed wrists, a ball joint at the torso, ball jointed hips, thigh swivels, similar joint systems used for the elbows also applied on the knees, and ankles that hinge as well as pivot. In addition to a somewhat underpainted lightsaber and equally somewhat underpainted blaster, he comes with a swappable swooshing blade that probably should have been more common in other releases from the past. Does that justify the price hike? Probably not.

Up next, we have Quinlan Vos. If you're hoping to fudge him into a Star Wars display void of any TCW & Disney canon characters, you may need to do some custom work. While he did wear Jedi armor in some capacity, it wasn't in the exact same style as this. The chest originally didn't look like what Anakin, Obi-Wan, and most generals wore in the Clone Wars, and the outfit's colors were generally darker (and arguably moreso than in Skywalker's case). That being said, this is supposed to be based on his TCW appearance, albeit in live action, so it gets that right with that regard. As for the proportions, the arms have a bit of muscle to them, yet the head seems to sit up a bit higher on the next than normal. Maybe it's from the way the way his torso armor requires it be longer, but it can look a bit off in some angles. Not as bad as some Marvel Legends but still worth mentioning.

His head sculpt could mostly work at remaining intact with the face, but the hair needs to have the dreads replaced with long, greasy hair. I've seen some figures that have had their hair detach easily without any glue from the factory, so that should customizers out if they plan to use epoxy clay to sculpt that new hairdo. His articulation is mostly the same as Kyle, only he comes with two lightsaber blades. Would have been cool if he had red ones, but he never turned to the dark side in Disney canon (boo).

And finally, we have Jango Fett, who despite being a known Jedi Killer, but he may be equal to the prowess of Kyle while struggle somewhat against Quinlan. Anyways, this is the second version of a Jango Fett buck we got in the past, with the first one going as far back as the early-mid 2010s (before they started going too hard in with peg warming Force Awakens and Rogue One characters), and it also had a reuse with the Gaming Greats version that I reviewed 3 years ago (which was based on how he appeared in the video game Star Wars: Bounty Hunter. So far, this figure looks pretty good, so what's the issue to be had with its aesthetics? Firstly, I already mentioned the half-painted lightsaber hilts on the two Jedi covered earlier, so what can be said about the bounty hunter's armor? The chest area has been painted with silver paint, but the forearm guards and all of the leg panels have nothing going for them. I mean, the hoses and the part meant for the flamethrower have some detailing, but once again, we shouldn't have to expect less and pay more. And while the indigo on the rest of the figure looks fine along with the areas of the figure that are painted, the brown could go for some additional paint to make it look less cheap, like it was carved out of chocolate rather than resemble the leather of the materials from the actual suit. 

His head sculpt is a saving grace, because it is a huge improvement from the Gaming Greats version and even most of the Clones whose helmets come off. I almost want to do head swaps where applicable, though Black Series heads rarely come off with ease. Articulation is otherwise functionally the same, though with some limitations by the shoulder pads, straps, and hoses...more on those later. His guns are equally as underpainted, which is even worse since Jango is known to be a shiny boss. On the bright side the helmet does have the articulated antenna piece, which is something, I guess.

Here he is next to the Gaming Greats version of himself, which was honestly not too bad of a figure beyond the helmet proportions. My copy has some added weathering and leather straps that miraculously haven't snapped off all these years later. The heads under the helmets are vastly different, but I don't think swapping the helmets would be easy given how well they fit on their opposite heads as well as how consistent the silvers are. Hell, new Jango has his almost see through, it's stupid.

One thing I need to warn everyone is that Hasbro's quality control problems are hitting this figure hard. If you bend the elbows, regardless if the forearm is rotated to the inside or not, the hoses behind the arms will snap. Same goes for the belt straps if you move the legs even as carefully as possible. The former's issue stems from how stiff the materials are used for the hoses versus the starting points where they connect to the forearm armor, while the latter went as far as leaving a small gap within the chain, which makes the belt materials so thin that they cannot withstand the flexibility. How does a toy company NOT look through these issues?! I may have my issues with Kyle and Vos, but the problems that plagued Jango Fett take him from being a figure that's make me say "The lack of paint sucks but the figure is still good otherwise" to having so many issues I'm more than conflicted. If you love Dark Forces, Kyle Katarn is the best one. If you like Quinlan Vos regardless of which canon he abides by, maybe wait for a sale. If you're a Jango Fan, be ready to deal with these issues unless you want to fix them immediately. But as I always say in these reviews, NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO FIX THEIR TOYS OUT OF THE PACKAGING!

Final ranking: ⭐⭐⭐ and a half out of ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ (Kyle & Vos)

⭐⭐⭐ out of ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ (Jango Fett)

McFarlane DC Multiverse Jay Garrick Flash & Jokerized Superman review

As we continue on with the McFarlane reviews, I was that there would be yet another stab at getting a classic Jay Garrick (or as classic as these tend to be) as well as a Superman figure corrupted by the Joker (or the Clown Prince of Crime pretending to be the Man of Steel). One is a Page Puncher, the other is not. One is a Red Platinum release, the other is a Gold Label. One represents a character who once used the name "The Flash" before we got the likes of Barry Allen and Wally West, the other is part of a subline many people either love or hate. There isn't much to talk about with these two, so let's instead talk about them individually for the rest of the review.

Here we have Jay Garrick Flash in-hand, who is a retool of the 2023 version we got back when the DCEU was on auto-Gunn mode with a movie based on Ezra Miller's misadventures flopping harder than a flaccid happy space. It's funny how this was a look that almost doesn't scream "The Flash" because Jay looks like a normal dude with an upside down lightning bolt on his shirt, but we have to keep in mind that apart from Superman, Batman, and Captain America, most superheroes in the Golden Age weren't exactly known for being like the characters that shaped the Silver, Bronze, and modern ages as we know them. I like the shades of red and blue we have here, but I have to admit that the belt buckle being painted on once again is bothersome since you could easily sculpt it on there. The lightning bolt looks good from a distance yet there are some slight alignment errors here and there. At least the boots have the wings on them, though given their placement near the ankles, they sort of make him more like Namor compared to the lightning bolts used on any other Flash title bearer. Also, the body build for the character is a good balance between comic book exaggerations and lean/mean for a runner.

Head sculpt is the same from what we got before, and I appreciate that the wings on his flying saucer head have a bit of sharp detailing in them, though given how much older Jay became by the time Flash of Two Worlds popped up, shouldn't this also be aged up? Articulation is the same as before, though with superhero costumes like this, be ready to make sure his lightning bolt is aligned since some torso joints tend to feel more stuck on some copies than others. The biggest complaint I have about the figure is the severe lack of accessories. If this guy had an unhelmeted head or more alternate hands, that would be one thing. If he had the same reused lightning effect parts we got in the past, that would be fine even if they didn't stay on that great for my Snyder Cut Flash. But to come with nothing but a stand and a card is always an L when it comes to McFarlane standards. Even the Barry Allen reissue came with alternate hands, which makes up for the lack of an unmasked head somewhat.

I know he is a Page Punchers release, and therefore the comic book would be the main selling point, but was it hard to give him SOMETHING to swap? Anyways, for his comic book, it is the first of an uncountable number of multiverse crossovers within DC, even predating the Crisis on Infinite earths and the continuity reboot fetish they keep doing. After a weird molecule vibration quirk took him to Earth-2, Barry Allen encounters Jay Garrick, this allowing the Silver Age hero to go between worlds. More of these crossovers popped up before they ended with COIE.

For a comparison with the Flashpoint version of Barry Allen, we can see how much costume design philosophy changed between the Golden and Silver Ages. Yet the use of red and lightning is at least consistent between the two. I also have a stock photo of the 2023 version with brighter colors, a yellow belt, and more modern-superhero gloves and boots. He even came with alternate hands and lightning parts, so why can't this one?

As for the other versions of the Jay Garrick mold, we have the Flash Age version which gives him even darker colors with an outline of a lightning bolt. If not for the head, he would have been mistaken for the Rival, whose colors are closer to the Page Punchers version but with brown boots and an evil face that screams unlimited power.

Now for anyone new to the school of McFarlane repaint sublines: the Jokerized line is self-explanatory yet is often described as either the characters being corrupted by the dude himself or just vandalized as he tends to do in-universe. It's like the many glow in the dark/black & white/frostbite repaints that come out where they expand on a year's worth of repaints. Some like them, some hate them, I find some cool and others needless. Like why would Joker Jokerize himself beyond line completion? I would like to see a Jokerized Batfleck like what was intended for the Suicide Squad movie? By the way, WB and Ayer are cowards for not doing anything with the Ayer Cut.

In this case, many collectors would probably want to get Jokerized Superman because his changes are not only reduced to the face and hands, but he uses he COIE body we first got with Earth-2 Superman. It is based on how he appeared in Superman #9, which also adds some proper justification to pick this up if you want to recreate that story. The colors are almost close to Silver Age, but there is no logo outline as many complained about. With the red and yellow already standing out among the sea of his costume's blue, that black outline isn't needed at all, even on the light blue. Thankfully, the shades of blue are slightly different, at least in my pictures. Furthermore, JS has Kryptonite chains that can wrap around him for some further display potential, seeing regular Superman weakened by those chiseled space rocks.

This figure also comes with playing cards equally vandalized after the Joker himself, all too appropriate for someone like him in addition to his use of cards. If you get many other figures in the line, you can easily get a whole deck to do any solitaire games. By the way, anyone still play those Windows card games? I'm more likely going to play those than get more Jokerized figures.

Taking the thumbnail from none other than Brad the DC Universe Geek, this figure can have the parts swapped with Silver Age so we can have a proper classic Superman without a black outline on his logo. The hands should be easy to swap (though switching the wrist joints will be harder to do), but while the necks should be swapped to complete the look, you will need to use a heat gun of boiling water. The former is easier to prevent getting the cloth goods wet. Do this at your own risk, because I may do just that. Unlike Brad, the other parts will not go to waste. So while Jay is left behind for missing accessories, Joke gets the last laugh for having more, being based on actual DC history, and containing custom potential.

Final ranking: ⭐⭐⭐ out of ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ (Jay Garrick)

⭐⭐⭐⭐ out of ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ (Jokerman)

2025 Miscellaneous Transformers ranked

After taking a look at the Studio Series and Age of the Primes waves of 2025, it is now time to take a look at the miscellaneous figures I got from various other lines. A lot of these lines may have some higher rep than others, but the main point is to highlight whatever came out at the time we have the 2025 waves, as well as what deserves more recognition beyond some lousy ass YouTube video titled "The One Forgotten Transformers Toy Nobody Cares About," and it's basically Godbomber. Anyways, let's see what we got for this long-overdue ranking list, shall we?

33. Power of the Primes Orthia limbs - Some of the worst Combiner limbs we got in the mid-2010s, and somehow even more samey than the Aerialbots despite their colors. Lousy combiner joint kibble integration, mediocre articulation, and altmodes that are more nondescript than anything else. The funniest part? They put two of the members in the Siege line, so we had to wait another year to complete Orthia, and even funnier is how the green one became incredibly sought after. Why a mid mold is worth the triple digits is beyond me.

32. Collaborative Blue Booster & Wingtail - It sucks that a Sonic/Transformers collab finally came true as someone who loves both franchises, but boy, are these molds rough. The altmodes look decent, but one robot mode looks decent, and another one has kibble placement that looks rough as hell; and people claim ROTF Mixmaster was a mess, yet he's refined in comparison!

31. G1 Insecticon trio - These three are basic and not entirely worth nearly $30, but getting them for cheap is always a treat. Unique bug modes and transformations, Energon cube accessories, and silver paint being a good substitute for chrome, I can't really complain too much. Not pictured: Ramhorn because Unicron thought he was a chocolate bar in cassette mode.

30. Cybertron Clocker & Brakedown GTS - Back when Scout Class figures were reasonably affordable and pretty fun toys on their own. While Clocker and Brakedown may not be the best showcases of the size class, they still represent that Hot Wheels fun we got with the Velocitron designs.

29. Power of the Primes Battleslash/Roadtrap - Individually, one is a decent Legends figure, and the other one is ass. Together, they make a pretty dynamic Duocon overall. Battletrap isn't perfect, but I appreciate it for being more creative than other Legends figures, minus Slash who I hope we get at a larger scale.

28. Energon Starscream - Not a bad version of the character, especially with that sweet dark clear plastic and the heavy level of sculptwork, but the smaller size combined with the articulation holds him back somewhat. I wish he had a Voyager figure for Legacy Evolution, but nooooo, Hasbro is afraid of representing Energon proper beyond a measly Core Class Megatron.

27. G1 Blaster - He may be oversized compared to every G1 character who was taller than him in most media, but he is a nice, chunky G1 toy all around. Admittedly, he has slightly less articulation than Soundwave, and for some reason, Hasbro had the stickers for the sun/mane on the back of Steeljaw rather than the front, as one would expect (might be a long-term design oversight).

26. Thrilling 30 Sky-Byte - Age of the Primes wins / As a Faithful update, yet / Thrilling 30's fine.

25. Titans Return Slugslinger - The dual-cockpit Targetmaster may look better in the Age of the Primes 2-pack with Sandstorm, but the mold itself is still good overall. Would have been neat if Titan Masters could pilot either cockpit.

24. Energon Optimus Prime - He may be fat as hell and looks like Megazord in his Super Mode, but I won't lie when I say his design creativity is so underrated. I wish we got a Legacy version or an AOTP update, but at least his articulation is better than the original Armada Prime. The Superlink Grand Convoy looks better, though.

23. Cybertron Landmine - This is the Takara version from Galaxy Force named Guardshell. Both toys are identical, just about, despite TFWiki saying he has his grey parts in silver. While most people would probably use the Energon design because IDW repurposed it for their comic runs (of course, they would), this is still a solid take on the character that also makes me think of Armada's Smokescreen and Scavenger. Plus, he is mentioned in the Cybertron intro when Optimus talks about how our worlds are in danger.

22. Go! Hunter Smokescreen - Sure, Takara's version of the mold looks closer to the cartoon than the Hasbro version, but there are still various paint apps missing on this figure, like the faux headlights and the vents in the altmode. I would have loved to see them include the removable accessories since Takara still kept the ones for Shockwave and only painted them black, so maybe having them be silver would work fine on this figure. Regardless, the more accurate deco is a step closer to a definitive TFP Smokescreen (for anyone wondering, the AOTP version is still being reviewed).

21. Cybertronian Megatron - His articulation is limited in some spaces, and the altmode depends on the fusion cannon to look complete, but at least this Megatron can bend at the knees properly as well as look more dynamic in his sculpt rather than look as if it depended on being an FOC pretool.

20. Battle Blade Bumblebee/Movie the Best Laserbeak - Both of them are placed together because they work the same, more or less, just that Battle Blade is a leaner sculpt while DOTM is meant to better match the slight model tweaks we got from the movie with the chest. Admittedly, the reused leg transformation we got since 2007 does mean we still lack ankle rockers, but these were good steps towards making a more definitive sculpt with the accuracy found on the MPM and some Studio Series versions.

19. Cybertronian Optimus Prime - In some ways, the Studio Series version does things better than this one, yet I will always appreciate it for not feeling so cheap to the point that it has a quality comparable to a knockoff. The original Deluxe manages to be pretty close to the old game model, even as a Deluxe from a time when Generations only had that size class, and nothing felt compromised or held back despite what other characters went through. Plus, the spring-loaded gun is always addictive as hell, and at least he won't have to partsform. Even the sculpted insignia on his back is awesome.

18. Adventure Ultra Magnus - Yes, this figure pales in comparison to the First Edition, but that mostly applies to the Optimus tooling. Magnus, meanwhile, manages to be even better than I expected, thanks to his opaque forearms and a more dynamic design that the PRID mold did better justice to as Magnus than as Optimus. I still wish the hammer the seller sent to me had gold paint.

17. Energon Demolishor - He may look like Long Haul and also is a technical downgrade (why phase out a tank design for a dump truck?), but the altmode is still pretty neat, while the transformation and robot mode are fun to mess around with. That Hyper attack is stupid yet so fitting when it comes to using that dump bed.

16. Rodimus Unicronus - Kingdom may have given us a more definitive Rodimus Prime figure, but when it comes to having the evil recolor, the Power of the Primes version works more than fine as either a Dark Hot Rod homage or a Shattered Glass Rodimus whose able to combine with his trailer. Not a perfect toy, but the black makes him better overall for cohesion and color matching than the Autobot version.

15. Retro Seaspray - Hey, look, a version of Seaspray we can get without waiting for a cartoon version to come out. Just slap on the eye decals, and you're all set. That being said, this guy may be neat as a larger-scale version of that sailorbot, but a different, far cooler version of himself will be even higher on the list.

14. Go! Hunter Optimus Prime - While the figure itself is flawed from being a hollow toy that pretended being dense as an illusion of getting more out of your money, it was at least able to redeem itself by being one of the few Beast Hunters upgrades we got in the show, and the design itself is an underrated look for Optimus in not just the Aligned continuity but all of Transformers as a whole. The Takara version's use of blue instead of green is much appreciated, too.

13. Dr. Wu Little Monster - The Movieverse has the best version of Wheelie, so this Megan Fox enjoyer naturally gets the best figure possible from a third-party company when Hasbro only gave us a microscopic figurine along with Brains as Shockwave's accessories. Articulation is pretty good at this scale, both modes are scrappy and adorable, and the transformation is surprisingly complex at this scale. 

12. Energon Megatron - Not content with a small sliver of Energon rep in the Legacy United line, I went ahead and bought Energon Megatron. This is how you balance chunky fun with cool engineering and all around designwork. Not only does he have a good amount of articulation, but the transformation is straightforward and satisfying without ever putting me to sleep. I also love the spring loaded knee pads and fists whenever I turn him into his robot mode. The Galvatron recolor may look even better, but this is still a toy so nice I want to get the Ultra Class version to.accompany it!

11. 2007 Stockade - While he has no bicep rotation, Stockade manages to be a cool addition to the first movie line based on the SUV that had a freaky, face-hugging steering wheel with Sector 7 markings on it. The design is friendly for a Decepticon, but that's where the Gears repaint steps in. Either way, it's a good toy all around.

10. Animated Grimlock - What a fun reimagining of the character; this is more than just Hasbro doing their Evergreen crap like they did since 2018; this may resemble G1 Grimlock, but the animatronic like aesthetics and muncher look give him a whole lot of personality beyond just doing a slight tweak to the G1 character. The chomping gimmick and sword flames are cool, too.

9. Beast Hunters SDCC Shockwave & Predaking - I wish I got the Go! Hunter version, but this repaint isn't too far off from the Shockwave colors if a bit oversaturated. Ignoring the G1 influence, this mold is one of the better options from the Beast Hunters line from the decent heft of the toy to the gimmick not intruding the left arm-ticulation like with Energon Shockblast. Predaking is neat but I wish the playset was included when I bought them.

8. Age of Extinction Rusty Optimus Prime - This mold is popular for multiple reasons: Geewun altmode, custom potential, accurate bot mode proportions, and consistently good articulation. We'll see how well the Studio Series version will turn out, but I love the Rusty deco for being very close to the truck prop in Age of Extinction, especially compared to the usual red and blue.

7. Hunt for the Decepticons Highbrow - I was happy to buy this toy, because it's Highbrow...It was so good it earned this spot, because it's Highbrow...He's near the top for this year, and I know why know, YAAY YAY! Because it's Highbrow, because it's Highbrow, HypeGuy drinks up white out! LA LA LA LA LA LA

6. Masterpiece Bluestreak - What a lovely repaint for the Datsun mold. While the character never had this color in most G1 media back then, the metallic blue and silver combo is just too good to pass, especially compared to his other color schemes. It also holds up pretty well for a 2010s Masterpiece long before they focused too much on cartoon accuracy.

5. Revenge of the Fallen Lockdown - While I was never against the AOE design, this one feels way more badass in comparison. Sure, it seems hypocritical to bash IDW for using non-G1 characters while doing a 180 with this, but at least it was a cool figure all around and from a time when it mostly paying tribute to Animated rather than plucking random post-G1 characters because IDW writers are likely doubting how popular their OCs truly are. I wish the rubber bits are less pliable while also being painted silver, but this is a marvelously designed figure.

4. Sea Spray - Now this is a badass Seaspray figure. Instead of being a more poseable version of his G1 stumpybot, this is a beefy reimagining that looks like he's ready to either fight competently along with the Autobots or wreck and rule with the Wreckers. Easily the best version of the character we are ever going to get, screw Geewun faithfulness!

3. Railspike/Rapid Run/Midnight Express - Raiden was kind of average for what he offers, even if the trains were nicer in the MPG line than with the old toys, but what about Rail Racer? What a surprisingly sleek combiner! He feels like he isn't made up of 3 train robots and is instead his own guy! While he lacks any limb swapping feature like with Landfill or Ruination, he at least has a light up gun in addition to being more refined unlike Landfill and is still a new mold unlike Ruination.

2. Trypticon - There is no other Titan like this dude, from the humongous size we no longer get due to the downscaling they're doing, in addition to his beast mode being what we get instead of a robot mode. Even the Titan Master integration used for Full Tilt only while Trypticon remains unchanged is a bonus. So what could possibly trump this Titan?

1. Cybertron Megatron - I just love how much we go further into the Unicron influences during the Unicron Trilogy. We go from a G2-esque Megatron for Armada into a Galvatron-esque design for Energon into one that feels brand new. I love the radical color scheme almost taking elements of his prior two decos, the robot mode looks perfectly dynamic while using parts of Unicron's design, and the altmode is unlike anything Megatron used before and since Cybertron aired. The best part? His Galvatron repaint is even better!

And that wraps everything up. Hope we get to see some surprises for 2026, what with it being the best time to celebrate the 15th anniversary of Dark of the Moon, the 25th anniversary of Robots in Disguise 2001, and the 30th anniversary of Beast Wars. The 1986 movie can go fuck itself with how much Hasbro wants to shove it down our throats despite doing that already for the past 10 years.